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#11
ESP32 / Re: ESP32-SBC-FabGL PC Emulato...
Last post by LubOlimex - August 02, 2024, 04:03:26 PMThank you for the feedback. Some resources were updated, how-to was added in the README here:
https://github.com/OLIMEX/FabGL/blob/master/README.md
and the manual was also updated:
https://github.com/OLIMEX/ESP32-SBC-FabGL/blob/main/DOCUMENTS/ESP32-SBC-FabGL.pdf
https://github.com/OLIMEX/FabGL/blob/master/README.md
and the manual was also updated:
https://github.com/OLIMEX/ESP32-SBC-FabGL/blob/main/DOCUMENTS/ESP32-SBC-FabGL.pdf
#12
NXP / Re: IMX8MP board support..?
Last post by winfried - August 02, 2024, 01:16:40 PMQuote from: LubOlimex on August 02, 2024, 08:17:14 AMIt is not planned at the moment.
Thanks for the info, thought so.
Does anybody use the board with other images or/and hasinfos about any other images, like Yocto builds or debian systems for the Olimex iMX8MP-SOM-EVB-IND ?
Any Info could be helpful before starting a new project.
mfg winfried
#13
NXP / Re: IMX8MP board support..?
Last post by LubOlimex - August 02, 2024, 08:17:14 AMIt is not planned at the moment.
#14
NXP / Re: IMX8MP board support..?
Last post by winfried - August 01, 2024, 08:00:30 PMWill there be an Debian image soon ?
(would prefer bookworm :-)
(would prefer bookworm :-)
#15
ESP32 / Re: ESP32-SBC-FabGL PC Emulato...
Last post by Andy2No - August 01, 2024, 06:03:17 PMThanks. I've had a reply from DanKoloff on github, which solves the problem of how to compile the examples (including the PC Emulator) and also seems to help with my original question here:
https://olimex.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/esp32-sbc-fabgl-how-to-work-with-the-expander-module-gpios-from-fabgl-library-and-apps/
The main parts, which other people will need to know, is that it needs Espressif ESP32 v2.0.11 installed, not the current 3.0.x (perhaps the last 2.x version, v2.0.17 would also work, but not anything starting with a 3), and that the board type needs to be set to "ESP32 Dev Module" (using Tools > Board > esp32 > ESP32 Dev Module).
It would be good if that information could be propagated to places like the readme pages of the two Olimex repos relating to this board (one specifically for the board, one for the Olimex fork of FabGL), and any product pages or documentation about the board. As it stands, for anyone wanting to try using the board with FabGL, as the name implies, it's a frustrating experience and relies on finding the missing information from third parties.
I see there's another thread in this forum about compiling the PC Emulator, and the OP found a workaround based on using Arduino's own board support package for the Arduino ESP32 Nano. There wasn't enough information there for me to get it working unfortunately (I tried, briefly). That thread is from a few months ago, IIRC, so this wasn't a new problem.
I can see that updating everything to be compatible with Espressif v3.0.x would be a big job, and almost certainly not worth the trouble. Updating the documentation so people know how to workaround it shouldn't take too long though.
https://olimex.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/esp32-sbc-fabgl-how-to-work-with-the-expander-module-gpios-from-fabgl-library-and-apps/
The main parts, which other people will need to know, is that it needs Espressif ESP32 v2.0.11 installed, not the current 3.0.x (perhaps the last 2.x version, v2.0.17 would also work, but not anything starting with a 3), and that the board type needs to be set to "ESP32 Dev Module" (using Tools > Board > esp32 > ESP32 Dev Module).
It would be good if that information could be propagated to places like the readme pages of the two Olimex repos relating to this board (one specifically for the board, one for the Olimex fork of FabGL), and any product pages or documentation about the board. As it stands, for anyone wanting to try using the board with FabGL, as the name implies, it's a frustrating experience and relies on finding the missing information from third parties.
I see there's another thread in this forum about compiling the PC Emulator, and the OP found a workaround based on using Arduino's own board support package for the Arduino ESP32 Nano. There wasn't enough information there for me to get it working unfortunately (I tried, briefly). That thread is from a few months ago, IIRC, so this wasn't a new problem.
I can see that updating everything to be compatible with Espressif v3.0.x would be a big job, and almost certainly not worth the trouble. Updating the documentation so people know how to workaround it shouldn't take too long though.
#16
ESP32 / Re: ESP32-SBC-FabGL PC Emulato...
Last post by LubOlimex - August 01, 2024, 03:22:42 PMMy bad I missed the problem at GitHub. There are few user guides on how to get it working.
#17
ESP32 / Re: ESP32-SBC-FabGL PC Emulato...
Last post by Andy2No - August 01, 2024, 11:34:52 AMYou're conflating two different things. My initial question about how to use the PC emulator offline is separate from expecting Olimex to provide support or documentation about using FabGL on a product with FabGL in the name.
I wondered whether Olimex had abandoned the product based on the fact that the examples don't currently compile, using the latest ESP32 boards support for Arduino, and your previous statement that "same Olimex employees that see this forum, see the GitHub fork. If we don't know here, we don't know there either. We are not software experts unfortunately, we are primarily a hardware manufacturer and our software knowledge is limited. ".
I have posted an issue about getting the examples to compile on github, and while I didn't really expect a quick reply, your statement made me think I was never going to get one.
Yes, the PC emulator offline question was a question for the forum in general, though I can't find much activity here about this board, or FabGL in general - IIRC, all references here to FabGL relate to that board.
I wondered whether Olimex had abandoned the product based on the fact that the examples don't currently compile, using the latest ESP32 boards support for Arduino, and your previous statement that "same Olimex employees that see this forum, see the GitHub fork. If we don't know here, we don't know there either. We are not software experts unfortunately, we are primarily a hardware manufacturer and our software knowledge is limited. ".
I have posted an issue about getting the examples to compile on github, and while I didn't really expect a quick reply, your statement made me think I was never going to get one.
Yes, the PC emulator offline question was a question for the forum in general, though I can't find much activity here about this board, or FabGL in general - IIRC, all references here to FabGL relate to that board.
#18
ESP32 / Re: ESP32-SBC-FabGL PC Emulato...
Last post by LubOlimex - August 01, 2024, 10:50:42 AMWe just made a hardware board inspired by the library, as explained in the wordpress announcement, the library came many years before we decided to make the open hardware design work with it:
https://olimex.wordpress.com/2023/05/25/new-open-source-hardware-design-is-verified-esp32-sbc-fabgl-single-board-computer-based-on-fabgl-library-with-ps2-keyboard-mouse-and-vga-display-with-many-retro-computer-emulators/
What does it mean abandoned? It works with FabGL just fine. You want to use the hardware and software project in specific way that no one used it before. What do you expect us to do? Test something that you need specifically? Find a way to do it without WIFI? Tailor the software to fit your personal goals? It is open source hardware and open source software project... All software and hardware resources are available without purchase.
https://olimex.wordpress.com/2023/05/25/new-open-source-hardware-design-is-verified-esp32-sbc-fabgl-single-board-computer-based-on-fabgl-library-with-ps2-keyboard-mouse-and-vga-display-with-many-retro-computer-emulators/
What does it mean abandoned? It works with FabGL just fine. You want to use the hardware and software project in specific way that no one used it before. What do you expect us to do? Test something that you need specifically? Find a way to do it without WIFI? Tailor the software to fit your personal goals? It is open source hardware and open source software project... All software and hardware resources are available without purchase.
#19
ESP32 / Re: ESP32-SBC-FabGL PC Emulato...
Last post by Andy2No - August 01, 2024, 10:34:47 AM@LubOlimex If someone subscribes to a forum and posts a question, I think it's safe to assume they want a reply, so an email notifying them of one wouldn't be unsolicited. It's what they were hoping for.
I guess the test of how much this causes a problem would be whether a significant number of people asked a first question, then didn't respond to replies because they didn't see them.
I suspect bots appear to be getting better because they're mostly cheap labour, rather than a script or bot. If people are paid a tiny amount per solved CAPTCHA, they probably become a lot better at it than I am.
I'm going to persist with the ESP32-SBC-FabGL, once the weather gets cooler, even if it means using it as bare hardware, but the fact that it has FabGL in the name suggests to people buying it that it supports FabGL, which implies support from somebody.
Perhaps my impression of how Olimex sells its products is wrong, but my perception of it is that there's Olimex, then there's shops selling Olimex products, with little or nothing in between. If so, it seems the support for the product should come from Olimex.
Is this just a largely abandoned product that I discovered too late into its life cycle?
I guess the test of how much this causes a problem would be whether a significant number of people asked a first question, then didn't respond to replies because they didn't see them.
I suspect bots appear to be getting better because they're mostly cheap labour, rather than a script or bot. If people are paid a tiny amount per solved CAPTCHA, they probably become a lot better at it than I am.
I'm going to persist with the ESP32-SBC-FabGL, once the weather gets cooler, even if it means using it as bare hardware, but the fact that it has FabGL in the name suggests to people buying it that it supports FabGL, which implies support from somebody.
Perhaps my impression of how Olimex sells its products is wrong, but my perception of it is that there's Olimex, then there's shops selling Olimex products, with little or nothing in between. If so, it seems the support for the product should come from Olimex.
Is this just a largely abandoned product that I discovered too late into its life cycle?
#20
A20 / Re: Kernel boot problem
Last post by LubOlimex - August 01, 2024, 08:20:46 AMWhich board exactly do you have?
Does the board work with Olimage? Always first test with Olimage.
Maybe try with the Armbian image from our FTP, but notice that we no longer support that image.
Does the board work with Olimage? Always first test with Olimage.
Maybe try with the Armbian image from our FTP, but notice that we no longer support that image.